32er Test Ride with Daniel Yang
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Hottie:
[0:04] This is the Marginal Gains podcast, and this is a fairly unique edition of the show. The show was almost entirely researched in the field, and the interview was done entirely in the field. The main talking point was also unique and new, and that is the 32-inch wheel. Our guest, bike designer Daniel Yang, and I rode the Neuhaus Nova, a mountain bike built around the 32-inch tire and wheel, and then we discussed this emerging platform. Of course, Silca and Shimano, our two great sponsors, played an indirect part. Silca's Super Pista Pump handled inflation duties prior to our ride. Very important to properly inflate tires before any ride, especially when those tires are something few of us have seen before.
Hottie:
[0:50] The bike those tires were rolling beneath was a Neuhaus Metalworks custom bike, and it was shifted by our other great sponsor, Shimano. The kit was the new wireless Di2 12-speed. You know, I've been perfectly happy with mechanical shifting for years because this stuff just works. But one thing about Di2 really stood out while riding this new bike. We were in fairly technical terrain with lots of short, steep uphill sections. It was really nice just to be able to click that shift button then return my thumb to its ramp position around the grip. Each shift was executed cleanly and quickly, and I was able to keep my focus where it needed to be, on the trail. So thanks Shimano for improving this test ride experience. If you want to see all the ways to improve your shifting, go to bike.shimano.com. The Marginal Gains podcast is the show that makes a big deal about the little things and how those little things can be a big deal. I'm Michael Hotten, hottie to listeners of this show. So the 32-inch wheel, you probably heard about it. A viable tire for mountain bikes first started appearing in the spring of 2025. By summer, custom bikes were being shown off at the Made Bike Show in Oregon. One of those custom builders was Neuhaus Metalworks out of Marin County, California. Daniel Yang is the engineer behind the CAD drawings that eventually became the new house Nova.
Hottie:
[2:14] When I reached out to Daniel about coming on the show, I raised the possibility of doing the interview in person. When he said yes, and then suggested we ride the 32er beforehand,
Hottie:
[2:27] well, in the name of marginal gains, I said I would. So that's the scene setter for this episode. A new bike built around an emerging wheel size, a test ride, and a curious engineer who says optimization is whatever makes you ride more. Okay. Like we said, Daniel Yang is our guest. Daniel, first of all, thanks for bringing me out on a mountain bike ride. This is kind of a rarity for Marginal Gains. Out here in the field, riding bikes and then doing an interview. Folks, we're in Joaquin Miller Park, and I think we're still in Oakland here, right, Daniel? That's where we are right now. So thanks for joining me out here in nature. This is a good way to do a Marginal Gains podcast.
Daniel:
[3:10] Thanks. I'm honored to be the guest. I listen to the podcast a lot, fellow bike nerds, and yeah, it's pretty cool to be on it.
Hottie:
[3:16] Yeah, we are having Daniel on for a number of reasons. Hopefully, you folks have heard about Neuhaus bikes and about the 32-inch wheel. And that's going to be a main talking point for the show. We're going to really rotate around that subject quite a bit here today because Daniel put me on a
Hottie:
[3:33] 32-inch bike, a bike he designed, and we went out for a ride today. But first, as always, Daniel, we like to pull back the curtain on the guest a little bit and find out a little bit about you, your bio. I don't know if I got this off your webpage. It says designer, engineer, 3D print guy, right? Yeah.
Daniel:
[3:52] And I think now it's more, I kind of identify more as an artist. Okay. Because, well, yeah, the design, engineering, 3D printing is all a means to the end. And what I'm doing now is creating bikes, but really with those bikes, I'm creating experiences. That's how I see things now. Yeah.
Hottie:
[4:07] And you have a degree in?
Daniel:
[4:09] Mechanical engineering.
Hottie:
[4:10] Mechanical engineering. Yeah.
Daniel:
[4:11] So I'm a true nerd.
Hottie:
[4:13] Yeah. And it said PhD question mark. Are you still pursuing it?
Daniel:
[4:16] Oh yeah, for sure. That's definitely going to happen sometime soon. Maybe by the pot test comes out. Okay, cool.
Hottie:
[4:21] Yeah. So we always like to ask our guests how the bike enter your life. Yeah.
Daniel:
[4:25] So I started biking. I was always biking as a kid and we would have to, Bonelli Park actually, where I grew up, where you're familiar with too, down in SoCal. But I would be forced to ride Bonelli Park with my family over and over every weekend and I hated it. But then- In college, I started riding first to commute, but then I actually started mountain biking for fun. I started mountain biking with my brother.
Daniel:
[4:48] And yeah, in grad school, I started to get more into road cycling and racing bikes, track racing. And then now I do all sorts of biking. So that's how I got into bikes.
Daniel:
[4:58] And I guess the question is, how did I get to designing bikes? Right. And I think if you're an engineer, you always want to build stuff,
Daniel:
[5:05] right? Like that's why you become an engineer. And ironically, when you become an engineer, you don't build anything anymore. you're just designing things or checking specs or running tests i mean it's all you're still building stuff but you're not physically building stuff um and so uh after grad school well tech well yeah after grad school um i started working in a 3d printing company and then for fun i would design bikes but i never could build it and that's when i met nick Neuhaus um he actually built my first bike uh first custom hardtail and then we started working together both part-time we were both still working at the time and uh i was doing more design engineering he was also doing design and he would be mostly the fabricator and welder um and then i would say three years ago there was the whole interest rate change which upended tech um and so there was a lot of layoffs including me And at that time, I was like, oh, well, I've been doing this part-time for fun. Now let's see if I can do it seriously. And so for the last three years, Nick and I have been doing this full-time seriously. Neuhaus Metalworks and Artifact Bikes, which is more road bikes, and YouTube. Right. That's the marketing.
Hottie:
[6:20] Those are your three professions as it stands right now, right? Yes, exactly.
Daniel:
[6:24] Yeah.
Hottie:
[6:24] Yeah. So tell us how Artefact and Neuhaus, how they coexist. Are they one and the same? How does that work?
Daniel:
[6:29] Yeah, they're sister brands. like Nick and I work on both of them uh it as you we talked about on a ride today road bikers gravel bikers and mountain bikers don't get along and it has nothing to do with bikes or technology or marginal gains it's simply a cultural thing and so separating the brands allows us to you know like if you post a road bike thing to a mountain bike account people are like what is this you know okay um so yeah it's it's separate um artifact also i have a little bit more creative control because i i know the road bike drop our space a little bit better. Um, so that's the distinction,
Hottie:
[7:04] But there is a road bike.
Daniel:
[7:06] Uh, yes. In, in production, the Eterna, um, both custom ones, which we're building now, but also a production one coming up. Um, I'm actually really excited about that. Yeah.
Hottie:
[7:16] It's a beautiful bike. I remember there was a pretty extensive video of you trying to come up with a fork for that bike. Like you are, you were very specific about the fork you wanted for that bike. It was quite a journey.
Daniel:
[7:25] Yeah, exactly. And I would say, uh, We're obviously talking about 30 Tuesday, but I'll touch on this a little bit is like, I think design is, is really, it's really fun putting a lot of intention into designs that people maybe overlook. Like for example, steel road bikes or hardtails, right? Like, uh, it's, it's fun to take those genres of bikes and really dive in the details and try to modernize them or add some unique, uh, performance characteristic or aesthetic to them. Mm-hmm.
Hottie:
[7:55] And then folks, Neuhaus Metalworks, I'd say the flagship bike there is the Hummingbird. Oh yeah, for sure. That's the bike ride.
Daniel:
[8:01] Right? Hummingbird started off as a custom bike. We still build them, but now we have a production model that keeps selling out, so people need to stop buying them. But yeah, we launched that this year. And yeah, that's kind of our bread and butter is steel hardtails. Yep.
Hottie:
[8:17] And Neuhaus, born and bred in Marin County, home of birthplace of mountain biking. Correct. As I said, okay, cool. Now, next question. How did the 32-inch tire, wheel, bike enter your life?
Daniel:
[8:29] Yeah, so this is actually a funny story. I was in Taiwan visiting suppliers and making YouTube videos at Taipei Show. And then there was news that a 32-inch tire came out. So I'm like, ugh, not this again. And so, you know, I went there, take a look, took pictures. and so frame building actually has a really unique relationship between um wheel size and the bikes that we build so like early frame builders are the early adopters right like they were the first ones to come out with 29ers um
Daniel:
[9:02] First one to come out with 29ers, first one to come out with plus bikes, first one to come out with gravel bikes, if you think about it, right? And so new tire sizes and frame building are related. And so I purposely, even though I didn't want to do 32s, I made an effort to try to get a pair of tires. And in Taipei show, I didn't have much luck. And then fast forward to Sea Otter, I barged into the Maxxis tent and I'm like, where are they? And they're like, what? I'm like, the 32-inch tires. and then obviously i was joking and then they gave me an email which seemed like at a time a fake email um but turned out there was a person behind it and then they sent us the early pair we got this bike together uh and honestly at the start of the nova project the 32 inch project uh i thought it was just a marketing project i was like you know how much better can it be right like but we got to do it just to test it but you know it's good marketing right uh but yeah we built it and this wasn't even my size um this is actually nick's size and he was uh, injured. So I had to ride this bike to make the YouTube video. Cause we already filmed the building of it. Uh, and then when I wrote it, I was like, oh no, this is actually really good. Um, and yeah, I think you wrote it in the park. You had some initial impressions. What did you think of it?
Hottie:
[10:21] Um, so the first thing we went uphill right away that, that caught me was, oh, this thing has no problem going uphill. And I think that's due to its traction. Like every pedal stroke gets paid off. It's not, it doesn't feel like you're really pushing a large bike up a hill, any larger really than a 29er. The other thing I noticed too, is it's surprisingly nimble. Now that may be what you did with it. Geometry wise, I don't know, but I was able to, to push it around, change the lines at will for the most part. Um, so those were the two things that stood out. Of course it rides great. I mean, Neuhaus is known for ride quality and it ride it rode beautifully right um but those are the two things right away traction and i was surprised at how well i could i could push it around.
Daniel:
[11:10] Yeah yeah and i think it's worth saying uh since i'm sure everyone can see on this podcast that we're both six feet tall or you're a little taller than me i think um but yeah i think that's i guess that's also important to note in this discussion is that we are on the taller end uh i think we both were saddle height twins we're around 870 uh millimeter or A60, A70, depending on how much we stretch saddle height. And so... Uh that's why i think for us we have different we will have different experiences than someone who's maybe shorter or even taller right right we did switch bikes which uh halfway through i was riding the 29 inch hummingbird and you were riding the 32 nova and we switched halfway that was actually the first time i've done it mid-ride and i was actually surprised because the very first pedal strokes i took the the ground felt so much more muted and they're both 2.4 cross-country uh uh, dry tires. Um, and yeah, that was a interesting impression that I got.
Hottie:
[12:10] Yeah. I, I just, it threw me out of sorts, actually. Suddenly I'm on a 29er, which should feel normal. It just didn't. Like, I mean, that, and that can happen. It's like changing shoe sizes all of a sudden, right? That's when you're like, wait, wait, where's my balance? Where's the way, where's my line? Where, how does this bike move? Like it was a little bit jarring at first. And I did find myself, certainly I missed the traction right away. Like as soon as like on 29 i'm like oh i missed attraction um and i missed that more planted feel that the 32 offered yeah.
Daniel:
[12:42] And there's some i think there's some technical marginal gains which give the 32 platform that we can get to that um but i was gonna say uh what's interesting about what what struck struck me the most when i hopped on the 32 for the first time um and like i said i thought it was going to be bad but uh when you hop on a totally different bike totally different setup different tires and it feels good that must mean that it's better right like imagine if it were it felt sketchier you would automatically be worried that oh it feels sketchier or like if you were losing traction you immediately you would go to the thing that sticks out the most but when you jump on a new bike different setup and it's like oh this actually feels good i think that's a good indicator that there's
Daniel:
[13:30] some performance benefits to that bike. And, you know, this is us normal people talking. We're not like professional athletes, right?
Hottie:
[13:36] Um, 32 inch wheels. That's a standard already, isn't it?
Daniel:
[13:39] Yeah. It's a, I should say there've been people who've built 32-inch bikes before and unicycles. I think that's where it came out. 32, 36. But what is new is the Maxxis tire. And I think that's what really started the big wheel rolling down the hill. Okay. Because, you know, they've had tires before, like the V Monster tire. But the thing is, like, it's not tubeless and it's a wire bead. And, you know, like, good tires matter, period. It doesn't matter the wheel size. Like I'd rather have tubeless tires and good rubber compound, good casing versus a bigger wheel. But if you have a bigger wheel and you have a good tire, then you could start doing some comparisons between the two.
Hottie:
[14:23] Before this bike ever came to be, before we could even ride it in the park here today, you had to put it through design on CAD. So tell us about that. Like what were some of the design challenges you were up against with the new wheel size?
Daniel:
[14:35] Yeah so i would say with 32 the primary concern and it should be the concern of all bike designers is the fit um and the challenge with the fit is that with 32 inch wheels it will raise your front end uh by oh okay without suspension that's a different story um let's let's talk so the nova doesn't have suspension and that's for a reason but let's just assume that we're talking hard tail to hard tail because a fork doesn't exist but uh i do know some numbers that people are talking about for the axle to crown
Daniel:
[15:12] Apples to apples comparison hardtail to hardtail comparison the front end of a 32 will be 70 millimeters taller and that is good for us tall folk or you know honestly even people who are shorter are preferring higher rise bars like people are using 40 50 mil rise bars in the mountain bike space so that's actually a good thing but the problem is like for if you wanted to get the bars lower you have to have a really small head tube which looks goofy and could be some structural concerns and people are turning to those super negative stems which also look goofy but there's another element of like a good bike is not just something that gets the bars in the right place like you know when you have bars that low when you crash the bars will swing around and you know hit your top tube or scratch your top tube so it's not not ideal but primary is fit second to that is the chainstay length so to maintain the nimble handling that you are used to and we have to try to tuck the wheel in as tight as possible and with our 3d printed yoke and cad modeling the closest we can get it is 453 yeah 453
Daniel:
[16:27] 453 millimeters, um, which is longer. Typically a hard tail is 430 millimeters. Uh, but it, it all kind of plays together because it's a bigger wheel. The wheel's more stable because the wheel base is longer. It's a more stable bike. So those kinds of things add up to make it work well together.
Hottie:
[16:46] Um, there's, like you said, there's no 32 or fork. So what, what are we riding? What did you have to put in there?
Daniel:
[16:52] Yeah, that's just a, a rigid carbon fork. And luckily the suspension corrected 29 inch forks fit 32 inch well really well um and yeah i think the big question for me is what suspension on this bike would be like i definitely in certain cases it's going to be better um but in a lot of cases if it screws up the high the stack height so the bars are in the wrong place or if you know like what if you end up having let's say a 120 mil travel which is like the standard for 29 inch hardtails well what if you start pushing the tires too hard you start ripping tires you start breaking rims then you need heavier tires you need heavier rims and then the whole platform becomes much much heavier yeah um but yeah as is with a rigid 29 like you said Your personal bike is a rigid 29 bike.
Daniel:
[17:46] It's a known genre that's really fun. Sure it is.
Hottie:
[17:48] Right?
Daniel:
[17:49] Yeah. And with the Nova, it's a rigid 32 and it's just a better rigid mounted bike than a 29 is.
Hottie:
[17:56] Yeah. I mean, the way the bike sits right now and how we rode it today, there's a lot of joy there. And I just wonder if you started to do a suspension fork on it. If you might lose some of that fun factor, like would it get too sluggish, especially if it was 120 or longer? Like it might be a good case for some type of short travel suspended fork, sub 100 even maybe. Is that?
Daniel:
[18:23] Yeah. I mean, that's, we've been talking to a couple of manufacturers and saying like, that's actually what we would prefer as the bike designer, something around 80 mils. Because you think about it like and i i think 32 will be a cross-country platform bike right and true cross-country not we're not talking about world cup cross-country racing because i watched world cup racing and i would need an enduro bike to do those tracks right or i would need an e-bike to do those tracks an e-enduro bike right and like yeah for them it makes sense that they're riding these full suspension 29s like ripping it super high skilled super high fitness but most of us we just want to go out and ride around the woods like we did today right or in the mountains if you don't have woods um and yeah as a bike as a rigid bike that's lightweight that kind of blends the the the impassable uh cultural gap between gravel bikes and mountain bikes i think it does a really good job it's like efficient lightweight like a gravel bike and it's fun and you can go pretty fast on it like a mountain bike i
Hottie:
[19:24] Know you lowered the bottom record height on this to kind to make up for the height of the wheels was there any other geo choices that that you altered in comparison of a normal 29er.
Daniel:
[19:34] I think that's basically it okay um like the the chain stays a little bit longer the bottom bracket is lower okay um but let's let's get into that because that's where i think the marginal gains of the 32 are so people get this concept wrong about tall people and bigger wheels or proportional wheel sizes like that's the question right like small wheel versus big wheel versus bigger wheel. And everyone says, oh, it looks proportional. Yes, it looks proportional, but that's not the reason. It's actually bottom bracket drop. And people confuse bottom bracket drop with bottom bracket height.
Daniel:
[20:07] They're similar, but bottom bracket drop is your distance between the cranks and the hubs, like the center of your wheel. And that affects two things. The deeper you are, the more stable you are between the wheels.
Daniel:
[20:23] And for taller people, switchbacks, your front wheel is always trying to fly up on you, right? And having a deeper BB drop is like having a longer chainstay. So like for example this bb drop is about i think it's about 35 to 40 millimeters deeper that's essentially equivalent to having a 40 millimeter 50 millimeter long chain stay like longer chain stay without having to have a longer wheelbase right so you're just more in between the wheels um conversely smaller riders if they have a smaller wheel they have less bottom bracket drop and what that gives them is more nimbleness because with smaller riders the way the front and rear weight distribution is there's a lot more weight on the front wheel for smaller bikes and so if you have less bb drop you can lift the front wheel easier or that gives you more feeling of nimbleness you're not locked into the bike so that's the key benefit of the 32 is you have a deeper bb drop which gives you more stability and on top of that you have the bigger tires and so you have or i should say larger radius tires which gives you a lot more angular momentum and so angular momentum is calculated by the radius squared so if you increase the radius a little bit you get a lot more angular momentum and that's what keeps your bike uh it's the gyroscopic force that keeps your bike upright or sideways, depending on how you want it.
Hottie:
[21:50] Okay.
Daniel:
[21:50] All right. Yeah. So that's the stability that you feel with the 32s is actually the combination of the bottom bracket drop and the, uh, the angular momentum of the larger wheels. Okay.
Hottie:
[22:01] Excellent. Okay. Uh, then you had to build a bike, which thankfully you have access to Neuhaus Metalworks, one of the great builders around here. Yeah. Take us through the build phase. Any challenges as you got this thing off your computer and into the shop.
Daniel:
[22:15] The hardest part was me trying to film while Nick built it. And filming, we had to lock the shop doors and just spend a whole day filming the video to the 32. So that was the hard part. I mean, honestly, it's not that challenging. Like, that's the beauty of And we, Nick and I have been building so many frames that, you know, like we've done a lot of weird stuff. And so this is actually less weird than some of the weird stuff we've done. Yeah.
Hottie:
[22:42] Well, the C-tube does have a pretty dramatic bend in it.
Daniel:
[22:44] Yeah.
Hottie:
[22:45] And I think that's looked like a pretty challenging part of, you know, getting that tube shaped the way you wanted it to. Yeah.
Daniel:
[22:52] So the C-tube has a really large bend because we wanted to tuck the tire in really tight. But yeah, that's just a matter of cranking down the bender to go even further. Yeah.
Hottie:
[23:02] Okay. Um, and then you said sliding dropouts for the single speeders of the world.
Daniel:
[23:08] Oh yeah.
Hottie:
[23:08] Is that one of the reasons? Is that the only reason why?
Daniel:
[23:11] The loud, the, the small, but loud minority of single speeders. Um, yeah. And, and, you know, a bike like this, we kind of expect people to be a more versatile bike. Like you could run a single speed or you could lengthen the chainstay if you want more stability to go bikepacking. Um, you could slam it if, if, and when they come out with shorter or smaller diameter tires or not smaller diameter. They already had those smaller width tires. You can slam it even closer. Right. Um, so that's why we did the, the sliding dropouts.
Hottie:
[23:40] Well, I think single speeders would actually enjoy the bike if only for the way you can stand and pedal.
Daniel:
[23:48] Yeah. This is, this is a single speeder bike because it carries so much momentum. Like single speeders are already riding rigid 29s. this is just a better rigid 29. Okay. Assuming it fits. Okay.
Hottie:
[24:00] Tube choices? Anything spectacular there, different than you normally would pull out of Neuhaus?
Daniel:
[24:06] I think that's the difference between... Nick and I, we don't like to say that they're magic tubes. They're just tubes. We spec them just like we spec all other bikes. And yeah, they ride nice.
Hottie:
[24:20] Let's get to the weight weenies of the world. Have you weighed it? How does it compare? How much does that bike weigh that we rode today?
Daniel:
[24:27] Yeah, so this might be offensive to the Marginal Gains podcast, but I don't weigh any of my bikes.
Hottie:
[24:32] I don't either, but people do.
Daniel:
[24:34] So this is my reasoning, right? is because and maybe this is a good discussion about bike design is everyone's trying to design the most optimal bike right but what this is what i learned in grad school that blew my mind is optimality is just fake you determine what's optimal right and in the case of maybe more production bikes or race bikes optimal is winning a world cup right um in our case optimal is a much less clear right like i think uh for me the most marginal gain is that i have i go out and ride my bike because you know life's busy and i'm not a professional athlete by far um and like if it's fun i'll go ride my bike if it's easy to take care of i'm going to ride my bike if it has two water bottles, I'm going to ride my bike a little bit longer. So these are the things that we care about to optimize the design. Sure.
Hottie:
[25:32] But people still look at that Grands column. Yeah. They do.
Daniel:
[25:35] Yeah. So yeah, I honestly don't know, but let me ask you, how did it feel?
Hottie:
[25:39] Well, I gave it the old, what everyone does, walk up to it, grab it by the top tube and pick it up. And it didn't offend me. It didn't surprise. I thought, well, I can pick it up. I felt like if I had to, If I had to shoulder it, well, the wheels are so big, it'd be odd to shoulder it, I think. But we walked with it uphill. We did... It didn't... I wasn't like, oh my God.
Daniel:
[26:00] How did it feel like riding the bike? Not the lightness that lifting it, but the efficiency. That's what matters.
Hottie:
[26:06] It was... I think I commented on trail that climbing... It has so much grip that even if there is a little more weight there at the wheels or wherever, you're getting so much out of each pedal stroke because there's so much grip that it either negates it or you've actually got a better platform you're pedaling under. So now we didn't do any long sustained climbs. You've done those on the 32-incher. You know, if this bike were at Leadville going up Columbine, how would it feel? I don't know. or even back home in the Santa Monica Mountains where I ride a lot. There's a lot of 30-minute, 40-minute climbs there. We didn't have those today. That would be an interesting test to see how you
Hottie:
[26:48] could manage up those. Yeah.
Daniel:
[26:50] I mean, I found it really efficient. Like, more efficient than a gravel bike simply because, I mean, gravel bikes are chasing the bigger tires because they're more efficient off-road. This has bigger tires and bigger wheels. And with the rigid fork, it's just super light and efficient.
Hottie:
[27:06] Um um so on trail uh you've had it on trail there's some good youtube videos first of all grinduro daniel has a great video of him racing riding render i guess we should say not racing oh yeah.
Daniel:
[27:17] I was definitely racing it you know i actually got top 10 in the pro category because i accidentally signed up for pro category and there was like 13 people who signed up so i got a top 10 in pros okay
Hottie:
[27:29] So you've raced the bike which is good to hear yeah and you've ridden it a lot too. Um, take us through some of your, um, some of your impressions on trail. What does it do for you? What does it, what does it not do for you?
Daniel:
[27:42] Well, I want to ask you your impressions because you wrote it. I'm obviously biased. I'm trying to sell new wheel sizes.
Hottie:
[27:47] Yeah, I know. You know, it's hard because it's an, it was an hour and a half ride to really, to really get my head around everything. Um, biggest takeaway.
Daniel:
[27:57] Well, biggest thing that stood out
Hottie:
[28:01] Uh, how planted it was, especially, you know, chatter is chatter. Like there were some rough spots out there. Yeah. And when you're riding a rigid bike, it's going to, it's going to clank around a little bit, uh, even with 32 inch wheels, you know, I got, I got some rattling now, not like my 29 at home, but, um, but it was in those sections where I could really let the bike go. I thought, okay, here's a section where I'm just going to let it run and see what happens. The thing just, just without hesitation went, okay, up to speed. Here we are like right up to speed. And if there were spots where I thought, okay, this is a spot on my 29 or I know traction might be compromised or I might, there might be a chance I would lose a wheel here. This bike was nowhere near that area. Like I was much more confident in those spots where you're leaning, you know, you're under loose, you know, you have something loose underneath your wheels. And even if the, even if the wheel lost weight. With the ground. When it came back down, it just dug right back in. And folks, these are Aspen, Maxxis Aspen, not the STs, but a cross-country tire.
Daniel:
[29:12] There's like barely any knobs on that.
Hottie:
[29:14] There's not a lot of width here, but you and I had a long talk about contact patch and what we thought might be happening here because we, again, it's not width that's at play here. It's the length of the contact patch that I think we're feeling, right? As far as the confidence yeah and the assuredness we're getting as far as grip.
Daniel:
[29:34] Yeah so so touch i think what you're commenting earlier is the rollover when you hit the stuff and you're like oh i hit that thing and it didn't i think it's a combination of the rollover and also the stability from the lower bottom bracket or sorry not lower bottom bracket more bb drop bottom bracket drop and also the angular momentum of the wheels because you can imagine if you hit a bump and you're airborne and you have more basically a really large gyro keeping you in your initial attitude as they call in in aerospace uh then you won't it won't kick your bike sideways or kick your bike and kick your front wheel in a weird direction you'll just continue the direction that you were going and then to comment on the grip it's really the contact patch and this is the thing it's like is it we know from in theory that when you have a larger diameter wheel your contact patch stretches out as opposed to like a smaller wheel you know imagine you have the smallest wheel ever it's a sphere it would just be a circular circular contact patch um contact patch in theory isn't bigger because it's proportional to the psi that you put in although we did lower the psi so there's something there right um but because the contact patch is longer i feel like it handles loose over hard.
Daniel:
[30:52] Like the kitty litter on top of the ground really well it doesn't feel like it drifts as much it just really digs in and kind of almost cuts an edge through the turns right you have to really recalibrate when you think you're going to hit something and then you're like, oh, wait, I can hit that different or I can hit that faster. That's what I've noticed with the 32s.
Hottie:
[31:10] I did notice. So we started with the bike, 19 PSI front, 20 rear. Again, folks.
Daniel:
[31:16] With a Silca digital, what is the, whatever, the expensive digital floor pump that I bought with my own money several years ago.
Hottie:
[31:24] The Super Pista Ultimo, I think is the one you had. Yeah.
Daniel:
[31:26] And I heard that part of the reason why we have better traction is because we pumped it with air through a Silca pump. And I hear that It gives you at least 30% more grip.
Hottie:
[31:39] So we started with 1920 and almost immediately I was like, I want to lower the pressure on this thing. Yeah. And I think it's there. I mean, because that 2.4 has got to be equivalent to at least volume wise. And it'd be good to do the math. What in a 29? At least 2.6, I would think, as far as volume goes. Yeah. Which means you really, I think it could really stand out. I get it. You want to break wheels out here because wheels are hard to come by for the 32-inch. But I felt like we could have dropped pressure and really let it kind of grab and give us a little more suspension. That would have been interesting to do. How about, have you tried to do many skills? Now, we took it on the pump track.
Daniel:
[32:21] Yeah, that was fun.
Hottie:
[32:22] And we found a failure point in the bike, folks. Pump track, it's really not a pump track bike.
Daniel:
[32:25] Yeah, we tried. It's not a pump track bike. Yeah, so it's not a
Hottie:
[32:29] Pump track bike, that's for sure. You can pump it through corners. Out on trail, but I think the successive pumps you'll find in a pump track are unwieldy. Is that how you would describe it?
Daniel:
[32:41] Yeah, that was actually funny. I was hoping we'd hit the pump track because I've been wanting to do it. And on the 32, you just don't get as much pump. You go pushing the back wheel and then it feels like you get, well, I guess technically you get an inch and a half less pump. But yeah, to answer your question about what it's good for and what it's It's really good for wide open, what I call cross-country mountain biking. Like, you go ride a mountain, or you ride from your house, you climb up on a
Daniel:
[33:10] mountain, you know, like, you know, everyone's length varies, right? But, you know, Fire Row, maybe Blue Single Track, I think that's good. Joaquin Miller, where we rode it, there's some really techie stuff that I wouldn't take it on. Cinderella, if you guys are familiar. um but i think it's it's really important to keep in context about mountain bike discussion and bike design is like
Daniel:
[33:34] First of all, who's it for? And also, where are they riding it? Because people's skill level and also the terrain that people ride on is really varied. And that's where I think Neuhaus, Nick and I have carved out a niche, is if you think about a lot of the mountain bike design or culture or photography or the pros, they come from Pacific Northwest or Pacific Northwest style riding like Santa Cruz. And there's elements of that here in the Redwoods at hawking miller but you you know it's it's tight there's greasy roots that are scary right yeah me growing up in socal and you riding in socal like wet roots what are those right um there's tight switchbacks there's techie section there's there's some sections where you just bomb down and like uh like shoots and uh that would be favored to a smaller wheel size with bigger knobs just because i mean you could put bigger knobs on the 32 but then the whole system starts getting bigger and you want more suspension but then your wheelbase grows because the tire is bigger all that kind of stuff yeah um yeah and like i think it's important to keep in context that there's a lot of different style riding and different things that people call mountain biking and we try to reach those people because there's plenty of like enduro trail really good full suspensions but not many people put a lot of thought into the humble hardtail right and i think that's where we found our niche yeah uh
Hottie:
[35:01] Have you tried to like manual it or wheelie it or it does seem i can't i can't do that stuff.
Daniel:
[35:06] I can't even manual at 29 okay me neither but some people we've had several people bunny hobbit manual it and i'm like how are you doing that i don't even know so going back to there's a whole varied level of skill level like uh you know we can't manual so doesn't matter it's probably worse at manualing, but, uh, doesn't matter for us. Right.
Hottie:
[35:28] Um, what's happening now around this platform? Are, are wheels and tires coming? Are, are, I think bike feels like, bike makers are have their ear and eye out on this thing a bmc had a bike it was kind of in europe people slide a little bit you folks i think curtis ingles up here in napa county he built one at one point maybe even before this one yeah.
Daniel:
[35:54] He had a special one that was like two schwalb tires that were sewn together um so but going back to the initial that there have been 32s before it's really the tire that prevented the development so i'll get this answer i think this is interesting because i'm a fan of the sport and design and everything and i don't have any and wait no i don't i don't have any ndas i won't say anything i'm not supposed to say i do know some of them i won't say anything i'm not supposed to say and i come as a fan speculating with everyone else so when the 32s came out uh when maxis released the 32 i thought there could be two cases one is that because they released it early i think march or february at taipei show that's when it first popped out i was like either at seata we're gonna see 132s like you know they're just they're just uh preempting the release of 32s or teams wanted to do development and then maxis created this tire and the mold for it which costs like a hundred thousand or i i was talking to another time manufacturer how much it would cost but like almost a hundred thousand dollars to invest in the machine to weave the the blanks to make the 32s um
Daniel:
[37:11] So the second scenario was they had invested in the tire technology, and then they wanted to kind of offset the cost and make sure that this becomes a standard. And so they released it to a whole bunch of people. And it turns out, I think it's actually the latter, in that we're really early in the stage of the 32 development. And, you know, to speculate, and again, I don't know anything. I'm not an insider. I'm an outsider of the bike industry. I bet Scott is making a 32 because the Scott team is sponsored by Maxxis, the Scott cross-country team. And I bet Trek is making one because Trek is a really early adopter of 29. And they really like pushing the limits with, you know, like they released that really weird full suspension. They're not afraid to try things. So I think that's cool.
Hottie:
[37:57] Is there a buzz happening within the industry? Like, are there wheel manufacturers saying, oh yeah, yeah, we're going to start supporting that new platform, other frame makers. I don't think there would be a need for any other components. Maybe the hub folks need to think about, okay, how much stress is going down to that hub? Does that require a different flange, different material, what have you, spokes as well? Like, is it causing that type of discussion right now?
Daniel:
[38:26] Yeah, I definitely think so. There's a lot of discussions about it. And like, for example, Light Bicycle is releasing a 32-inch wheel very soon and there's going to be more that come out um my really big question is the forks because i don't think well i'm sure there's people who actually know what's going on but i don't know what's going on with the forks um suspension forks i'm clear oh yeah but but that gets to my question of like where i think 32s are going and this is a more philosophical goal.
Daniel:
[39:00] Question is like the reason why i do youtube videos i spend more than half my time doing youtube videos is because if you have a good product that reaches like benefits a lot of people like for example you you rode the hummingbird you like the nova it's a really fun bike and it's not what you would traditionally be marketed to as a mountain biker right um and And YouTube allows me to reach those people.
Daniel:
[39:28] The distance between me and customers with YouTube and bike design is really close. There's not a marketing person. There's not a CEO telling us like what we should make, what industry we should chase, what races we have to do well in. Right. And as a most other bikes are sold through racing, cross country bikes are sold through racing. And the problem is, I don't think it's going to be a racing standard because cross-country mountain bikers, they're not, they're all kind of short-ish. They're like, you know, like they're small, they're compact, they're fast, right? Like Tom Pidcock, I don't think can be on a 32. Or he could. Maybe the fit's all weird, right? The other thing is like, they want their bars really, really low. And I think that's because of aerodynamics, not necessarily because of like, well, they say it's for climbing. But i think the aerodynamics when you're traveling at those cross-country speeds is a lot more important sure whereas like us normal folk we want bars higher so we're not scared going downhill right um and so the the 32 may not fit those courses or those riders well so i don't know if it's going to be uh a i don't know if it's going to gain traction there um but it would be a shame because i think for cross-country riding like true cross-country riding what most people want to do on a mountain bike it's a really good platform the bigger wheels even with a suspension fork if the fork is you know
Daniel:
[40:52] Really limited to maybe 80 mils of travel so that the front end could be at a reasonable height um i think it'd be a really cool platform also it'd be cool to introduce size specific uh bikes or wheel sizes right um and i think 32s and i'm going to open up a can of worms 750d which is the in between uh what was it 20 no 31 and a half right um or whatever 30 and a half uh i think those could be the cross-country wheel sizes like the cross-country bike wheel size and then leave 29s and 750 or 29, 27 and a half to trail enduro riding, e-bikes, downhill bikes. Because it makes sense. Like a platform that suits aggressive downhill riding is not the same platform that, you know, suits riding up and over the San Gabriel Mountains, right?
Hottie:
[41:56] Well, can you, do you think you could design a frame? Because the smallest is the medium large. at this point? Is that what you guys are going to do?
Daniel:
[42:04] The limiting factor to size is not toe overlap. It's butt overlap. Because, yeah, because you're sitting so deep in the wheels that if you maneuver, if you have shorter legs, and I think the limit is really the saddle height, I would say seven, I would feel comfortable putting someone who is 5'8 and like a 7'30, 7'40 saddle height uh on the nova uh but yeah if you have shorter legs your butt's gonna hit the tire um when you but but it's also a chicken egg thing because not many people are like you know going down a steep rock roll and have to shift their weight back to buzz get the butt buzz right some people will buzz every ride some people won't even like they don't even shift their body that much right so it's hard to say um Yeah, that's the limiting factor, is the butt buzz. But they already created a wheel size for those people. It's 29. That's right, yeah.
Hottie:
[43:02] Well, I think you are making... One thing that 32-er, I think, makes a case for is wheel sizes for body sizes, for people sizes. Yeah, exactly.
Daniel:
[43:13] And like we said, that's really just tuning the bottom bracket drop. So you can... Because the taller you are, the higher saddle, the higher your center of gravity. And so you are a little bit more... Uh, there's debate whether that's unstable or stability, um, but, you know, generally higher center of gravity, it's easier to backwards, easier to go over forward. And when you have a deeper BB drop, you can sit in between the wheels more and you feel more stable.
Hottie:
[43:36] Yeah. I think the question is, would the industry support that? All those wheel sizes, like that you're running the same frame out there. Say you launch your Specialized and you launch the Epic or what have you. And you go, yeah, now we're going to do three wheel sizes in this bike. Like, is that sustainable for big companies?
Daniel:
[43:54] So this is what bugs me about bike industry. And this is why Nick and I, we do things separately. Like, this is what actually empowers me is like, I think it'll make a big difference because the fit benefit is really important, right? But what bugs me is like, they would rather have five different mountain bike models and look at how many tires there are you have the super rolling slick you have the less rolling slick you have the trail tire you have the the more trail tire you have the enduro tire like there's already so much stuff out there it's just like in my opinion it's just like a marketing challenge or like an adoption challenge but there's certainly benefits like you felt it it's fun it's a fun bike like that's ultimately our gauge of what a good bike is yeah um but
Hottie:
[44:39] There's no way my wife would have fun on that.
Daniel:
[44:41] Yeah but
Hottie:
[44:42] Because she's five foot four or something like that yeah.
Daniel:
[44:45] Yeah and like she would
Hottie:
[44:46] She would struggle it would be just a big struggle fast for her even if the frame was the right size and everything right for somebody of that size would probably uh feel like give me my 29er back.
Daniel:
[44:57] Yeah yeah exactly and we even make 27.5 hummingbirds too right no one talks about it right but we we are wheel size specific for that exact reason um because fit that's so funny because you rode the bike and i think one of your biggest comment was like what's the crank length on this right and like fit matters way more fit tire pressure will matter way more than the wheel size but you know assuming you have those dialed and you know that well especially since this is marginal gains podcast right then bigger wheel size if it fits you then and it fits the style riding that you do is better whether industry adopts it or not, you know, that's a business question. That's not a bike design question.
Hottie:
[45:36] Um, to let's answer the real skeptics out there. And that is, oh, this is just the bike industry trying to sell us something else that we really don't need. We don't, do we really need 32 inch wheels? Why do we need? And I've seen those comments already. Um, is that, what, is there a sliver of truth to that? I mean, truth be told the mountain bike industry is not doing great right now, as we sit here in October of 2025, like sales have been sluggish. E-bikes are, I guess, the one driving factor there. Yeah. And so some new excitement certainly would help, this side of the bike industry.
Daniel:
[46:10] Yeah but
Hottie:
[46:11] Let's answer the skeptics anyhow is this a are we just trying to sell them something that they don't really.
Daniel:
[46:17] Need yeah i think they are like bike industry trying to sell stuff that's just how it works um i think like if it's you can't say like oh well i like my my 29s are fine because no your 29s were 26 at one point your 20 your 29s were 26 by 2.0s with tubes inside right like progress is you know like it goes forward and it goes back and like one example people use is like oh plus bikes were just an example to sell people new bikes and look plus bikes are totally gone now right but if you think about plus bikes the thing was like before plus bikes came around a 2.4 measured like 2.2 you know if you were lucky right and the rims were like road bike 23 millimeter rims width right but then because of plus bikes they push the tires wider and now you know 2.4s measure 2.4s and like uh you know you couldn't have a nice wide rim and that was because of plus bikes right and yeah the 2.6 is probably a little bit better than the the 3.0s that we used to have with plus bikes but like the 2.6 was created because of the 3.0 right so the 32 i think this is so funny but i honestly think as a bike designer having looked at designs having like fit people to bikes i actually think 750d would have been the better standard really yeah um because
Daniel:
[47:46] The the cutoff i think to me obviously size specific is always good right and but you know there's the question of skews and uh you know like logistics and um but like the cutoff of most of the bikes we sell and you know i wish we could sell to smaller people like i or shorter people not smaller people um that's why we make you know size specific hardtails but the cutoff for most people is like 5.8 most people are 5.8 who are mountain biking and above um and the 32 is just a little bit big for 5.8 i think like 5.10 5.11 six feet six feet and beyond it's like really good um but yeah 750d would have been a little bit smaller of a jump um and i think you know like you would get half the benefits, you know?
Hottie:
[48:38] Um, so if this is a size specific, if one of the benefits of 32 is size specific, in other words, great for taller people, then that could be a road bike platform, that wheel size. That's what I'm pointing at the wheels. Yeah. Why not a road bike? Why not a gravel bike?
Daniel:
[48:51] You know, I, that's actually, after I did 32, I looked into 750D and apparently WTB makes a 750D 36 mil road-ish tire. And I was like, oh, that would, but road is so traditional that they would not adopt anything new um but yeah that i think for taller riders it's certainly a huge benefit the problem is 750d there's i i dug into it there's not enough support around that um to make anything viable like it's the tire support um yeah all right you know wgb was the one who started 750d um and you know i applaud them for that but you know like some things i think about is sometimes an idea is too good for its time like you could say 750d was too good for its time but i think it's not things are not necessarily too good for its time it's just you didn't stick with it long enough for it to see its potential um and yeah like i think max's big kudos to them just making their tire available to everyone and letting them experiment i think it's really smart um
Hottie:
[49:57] Um, the, the other thing I've been thinking about this bike is like, what, what lens should we really be looking through to, to fairly examine this bike? Like, is it a performance? Do we look through it as a performance lens? Is it just a fun lens? Like, do we look at through those types of glasses? Like, no, you got to think about this as just fun. Can it be a performance bike? Like, is it a race bike?
Daniel:
[50:22] Yeah.
Hottie:
[50:22] Is it a bike that opens a door up and gets more people on bikes? Like what lens do you see the Nova through?
Daniel:
[50:31] Yeah. So this is a little bit of bike design philosophy, I think.
Daniel:
[50:35] I think what I try to prioritize in designing bikes is that it encourages you to ride it. And that could be multiple different things, right? So like, for example, let's take road bikes, for example. Most people buy new road bikes not because their performance of the new ones are better which they are it's because they get tired of their old one like it's just not cool anymore it's not interesting so they get a new bike kudos to those who stick with their bike for years right um and like what i try to do is i make a bike design a bike to be fun and timeless and interesting enough for you to keep around um and ride it like encourage you to go riding and And so a bike like this, because it's novel, is actually a good thing. Because imagine you, when you see this bike, can you visualize doing rides that you normally wouldn't do on your existing bike?
Hottie:
[51:32] Um, what I visualize is making those rides better.
Daniel:
[51:36] Yeah.
Hottie:
[51:37] That's because, because what I ride now is somewhat similar in that it's set up similar, but I'm not always happy when I'm on rides on that bike. Yeah. I see that bike making those rides better and possibly exploring, possibly taking on stuff I wouldn't normally take on, on a rigid 29er. Yeah. That's how I would see that.
Daniel:
[51:57] And so that gets to the performance aspect of it, right? because a lot of times performance is talked about for racing but uh and also like i would say sometimes when people design a bike they focus too much on fun and there's not enough performance and ultimately like a bike needs to be efficient it needs to be fast and not not because you're racing but it's like you said it feels easier so you want to do it more you feel like you can go longer you feel like you can ride faster right um and so yes i think in that lens it is higher performance like probably won't show up in world cups that's my guess or it might for a little bit but i just don't think the way world cups are structured that that works well um but for everyday riding i think it's it's a really good platform how
Hottie:
[52:41] About something more endurance based like a leadville.
Daniel:
[52:44] Yeah i i have no experience doing leadville you do that um what do you think
Hottie:
[52:50] Um i would ride it at leadville but i you know i tried to ride a 29 inch rigid bike at leadville too. You know, I see, I would ride a gravel bike at Leadville. I mean, to me, Leadville is more of a blank canvas than it is to other people. Um, but if you're riding for time and you're really serious and maybe this is your bucket list race, um, you know, I think you want to go with something proven, like maybe let somebody else do it first. Yeah. Right. So it's one of those things. I would have no problem, though, towing the line.
Daniel:
[53:21] I mean, anything with fire roads, the 32 eats up fire roads, both like climbing and descending. It's so fun. And yeah, I would say blue single track, that's probably where you would want this bike. Anything more technical, if you're doing jumps or pumping and stuff, like smaller wheel size is better for that. It depends on what you find joy in mountain biking.
Hottie:
[53:43] One more thing. This is, again, we're kind of delving into philosophy here, which is a lot of fun. and riding and what makes people ride and what makes people don't. You know, when I was out on my trails and thinking about getting together with you, I was thinking, what do I see out here and what do I not see? Like, I see people out riding bikes and they, for the most part, are on the bike that belongs underneath them. Some over biking, like there are people riding in full face helmets and padding and they're on the fire road. Okay. And they've got full suspension bikes. A lot of e-bikes. Right. Not to, nothing real surprising there. But then I started thinking like, who am I not seeing out here? Who's not here? And why aren't they here? What's, what's keeping people from coming up here? Maybe they had a bad experience mountain biking and mountain biking has its challenges, right? It's highly technical. It's can be sketchy. There are all kinds of reasons why people may have a fear factor or make it kind of, they try it once and then they're shoved aside. And I thought, well.
Hottie:
[54:45] And there's a lot of ways to maybe cross its barriers, like getting people up to the trails and riding mountain bikes, skills, nutrition, training. Like, yes, those things are a matter. But what can equipment do? Like, what can bike makers and people on your side of things do to help bridge that? Get people who are not showing up up there. Can the Nova do that? Can the Hummingbird, can any bike do that? Do you see the Nova as something that helps get people kind of over that hump?
Daniel:
[55:18] Yeah, I would say to me, my ultimate goal is to like get more people on bikes and create experiences through them through bike designs. Right. And I think about this a lot. And the limiting factor to that, I think, is just the way that bikes are marketed. Right. Like you hear this with road bikes. People, I love road cycling. Like um but you you see from the outside people think that it's elitist that the bikes are super expensive that like people are wearing look like models and wearing like five hundred dollars worth of with their spandex right and with mountain biking you see all the marketing like right now rampage is going on right and that's probably the most viewed mountain bike event and like you know you see people are marketed wearing uh full face helmets and pads and like doing big jumps and gaps and like much respect to all that stuff. I love watching that stuff too, but I think it turns off the average person. And I think like there's a gap in mountain biking between mountain biking and outdoor recreation. It's like almost two different sports. You have plenty of hikers and, you know, as a cyclist, like,
Daniel:
[56:27] You probably don't like hiking because you'd rather be mountain biking, right? It's just so much more fun. And I see that for a lot of people. But yeah, that's why I do YouTube too, is we design the bikes for those people.
Daniel:
[56:38] Like the Hummingbird is not a slack bike.
Daniel:
[56:43] It's not like the secret of the Hummingbird is that it's cross-country-ish geometry with a trail bike fit and trail bike tires so you can have fun and it's comfortable, right? Um and the nova like and also the other barrier i think to the sport is cost and you know i i've kind of debated about this because you know our bikes are pretty expensive and that's because we're we're a small company you know we don't have like i would love to make 10 000 bikes and sell them at a really small margin um but i think like really if you want to get in sport you should be buying a used bike and that's actually the the litmus test for all my designs is that if someone finds this on craigless in five or six years will they be like oh sick i want that bike right like if it still has value to them and it's going to be a good bike with also like it to the point about 32s has the correct standards right like you don't want to some of the bikes that i hate seeing are like are we allowed to say say brand names sure the specialized diverge with its like headset suspension you know that's going to wear out you know no one services suspension right and like that bike on craigslist in five years is going to be so hard to fit somebody right um and so the point of 32 is i thought about that a lot is like am i introducing a new standard that's gonna like go out of date and do you know ultimately i care about our customers right um but then i realized like you know
Daniel:
[58:12] Wheels and tires are not really yes it's a new standard but it's like you will always be able to find wheels there were 32 inch wheels before 32 inch tires existed right and tires like you can still find 26 inch tires you can still find plus bike tires like there's there will be enough support will there be like uh enduro casing with the mud knob with all that kind of stuff maybe maybe not but it's also like that probably is not going to help you you know you're like usually you just want to ride your bike right um and if you're all into that nerdy stuff there's bikes for that too sure um those
Hottie:
[58:48] Types of tires and radical suspension would make that bike worse if not unrideable.
Daniel:
[58:53] Yeah yeah exactly they already make a really good bike for that right it's the 29 trail bike yeah um but also on the thought about 32s what i thought was really exciting about it is like uh imagine you made that this is a big company so trek this is up to trek um imagine they made an aluminum version with an aluminum fork and really nice tires and 32 inch rigid and that was like the entry point to mountain biking i would take that bike assuming it fit the right people right um i would take that bike over an entry level front suspension hardtail any day Because those, those, press suspension, they're so unpredictable. No one services them. They get clapped out, right? And imagine how, like, I think that bike could transcend gravel riding and mountain biking and really get people into the sport. And at a really low cost, right? It has to be done at scale. Like, we can't do that, unfortunately. But that'd be really fun.
Hottie:
[59:50] Yeah. Okay. The YouTube channel is Yang Manufacturing, MFG, right? Yeah. Yes. And by the way, folks, if you want to learn how to CAD, Daniel, I think your first three videos, you walk people through how to design a bike.
Daniel:
[1:00:03] Yeah. I'm trying to create competitors for us because it's too easy. I need more competitors.
Hottie:
[1:00:10] Well, Daniel, thanks for the ride. Thanks for the interview. We had a great time out here today. And thanks for enlightening and discussing about the future of not only the Nova, but bikes in general, there's a lot to overcome. But certainly through design, I think, and design cues and understanding, really what gets people on bikes, we can close the gap a little.
Daniel:
[1:00:29] Yeah, thanks. Thanks for having me. It was a fun ride, fun time on the podcast.
Hottie:
[1:00:39] Thanks again to Daniel Yang. We also want to thank Neuhaus Metalworks for letting me ride one of the few 32ers in the world. Neuhaus is taking custom orders now on the Nova. If you are 32 curious, check out Daniel's YouTube channel. It is YangMFG. He's got videos on building and riding the Nova and the aforementioned tutorials on how to CAD. If you have a comment on this episode or a question about what it's like to ride a 32-inch wheeled bike, Use our Marginal Gains hotline, 317-343-4506. That's also the spot where we gather questions for our Ask Josh Anything episodes. You can also go old school and comment at marginalgainspodcast.cc. We will be back soon with more questions and answers. Thanks for listening to Marginal Gains.
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